Why I despise the iPhone. - Page 11

R3PUBL1K · #**101** (**permalink**) 06-05-2009, 03:31 PM

I always said I will never own an iPhone, even being a loyal Apple fan. Unfortunately

I was given an iPhone the other day and had been playing at the weekend. My Diamond is a great device and I love it so much I take it to bed with me

. Certain features of this iPhone impress me, but I dont like the size or the lack of customisation to the front end but I do like the applications that are available to it. Sky+, ifooty, to name but a few. I would probably never use it to make a call (unless the Diamond's battery was depleted - but as a communication device, multimedia device it's kindof cool

I say bring on iPhone 4G in July on orange too(perhaps).

Griph · #**102** (**permalink**) 06-05-2009, 06:54 PM

Dave

To be honest no one here is trying to tell you that iPhone is better than WM - even me - all I am say ing is that FOR ME the iPhone meets all my needs and is a much more friendly devive to use. You dont agree - and quite a lot of people are with you. BUT - in my opinion (and it just doesn't happen to match yours) nothing you have so far said has put me off the iPhone - and the fact that I constantly use it whereas my Touch Pro sits in my haversack indicates that I am probably moving away from WM.

I am NOT an IT professional - I dont need Mircorsoft Office, VPN or Remote Desktop - I use my Notebook for those. I dont need SatNav on my mobile - I have a PROPER TomTom satnav in my car - does a much better job than TomTom ever did on my WM device. iPhone 3.0 will sort out any of the minor gripes I have with the iPhone functionality.

I understand why you despise the iPhone - but the reason why I keep biting is because you seem to be taring all iPhone users with the same brush - "It's Apple users and their superiority complexes that rattles my cage" - as frankly I dont believe I fit that particular bill. I have expressed my views - however I believe I am inteligent enough to have views that aren't clouded by advertising or propaganda - and I certainly have sufficient experience in using both WM and the iPhone to allow me to make the points I have!

You are entitled to your own opinions - I would never try to knock them - I just hope that you can accept that I am too.

waveydavey · #**103** (**permalink**) 06-05-2009, 11:13 PM

You've expressed your wants and needs and I have mine. It's horses for courses. In my opinion there are a lot of people who have jumped on the iPhone bandwagon and are unaware of Windows Mobile and are preaching the Apple way. That's annoying.

Griph · #**104** (**permalink**) 07-05-2009, 12:38 AM

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Originally Posted by waveydavey

You've expressed your wants and needs and I have mine. It's horses for courses. In my opinion there are a lot of people who have jumped on the iPhone bandwagon and are unaware of Windows Mobile and are preaching the Apple way. That's annoying.

I would agree with you - anyone preaching to me really gets my goat! Luckily I have experience of both sides of the mobile market and can atleast talk from personal experience.

#**105** (**permalink**) 07-05-2009, 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by waveydavey

You're last post essentially sums up why I despise the iPhone.Go and read the first post again mate. As I've said frequently, it's not literally the device I despise, it's how everyone keeps telling me that it's better than my WM device that gets my goat when it doesn't come close from a functionality perspective. The iPhone is not capable of meeting my needs, period. Not even close. You can argue however much you like about my needs being exceptional but it just does not cut the mustard. In my opinion it's also not up to scratch security wise to use as an Enterprise mailer either. I don't really care if it's a great consumer device or not. I have no gripes with little Sony Ericsson or Nokia music phones, I'm sure they're very good at what they do, but I wouldn't put them on my network. What's the difference there to putting a MAC on your network?

Where has anyone said its better on here though? It is a much better consumer device, that is a fact but no-one would argue that it meets your requirements.

And here's a thought for you, those people that are saying the iPhone is better than your device likely have a whole different set of requirements to you so to them the iPhone is a better device for all the same reasons that WM is your preferred OS.

The simple fact of the matter is that like it or not Apple have popularised the "smartphone", some of that has been acheived by dumbing it down but as time and updates go by they are improving that too.

tonybro · #**106** (**permalink**) 08-05-2009, 12:09 AM

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The simple fact of the matter is that like it or not Apple have popularised the "smartphone", some of that has been acheived by dumbing it down but as time and updates go by they are improving that too.

...and that's going to be Apple's problem potentially!

Can I throw this thought into the mix?

My eldest (22) has the iPhone 3G 16GB (plus a Macbook Pro). His iPhone went faulty and whilst it's been away he used my Diamond. Smaller in all ways and less (physical) screen size. The only thing he missed was Safari, 'Opera was too small and slow' but he loved the proper SatNav, calendaring/contacts and even the SIP and stylus. He enjoyed the experience so much he's buying it!

This is where Apple may find themselves losing out (although new customers will still outweigh those that move on) by bringing the Smartphone to the masses but 'dumbing down' the experience such that people then explore the other opportunities in the Smartphone market and see that (for their usage and requirements) there are stronger candidates out there from both WM and Symbian and now Android.

So Apple's success may be a bit of a double-edged sword in that it expands the entire market (which is great) but they then don't bring the capability to the device quickly enough to retain customers.

We have 3 iPhones in the house (2x1st Gen, 1x3G). My wife moved to it from her MiniS but is now missing it's capabilities (even though things have moved on since then) to the extent she's thinking of changing back. I gave mine up to my youngest son as (like Wavey) it didn't cut the mustard for my needs. I don't miss it. My eldest son with his whizzy 3G has seen the benefits of a WM device against the iPhone and likes what he sees - again its not perfect elsewhere but its a platform that you can live with. So out of three very different users we have all of them considering a move away or having moved away. That says to me the platform lacks something once you go beyond the glitz and glamour.

Just a thought.

Discuss.....

#**107** (**permalink**) 08-05-2009, 06:36 AM

But for every story like yours Tony there will be a hundred people who love their iPhone and don't want anything more. Don't forget also that a couple of years ago Apple weren't even in this market so I'm sure they are prepared for the fact that they will lose some customers in this way.
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Griph · #**108** (**permalink**) 08-05-2009, 07:47 AM

Wool Hoo! You've gotta agree though that love or hate the iPhone it DOES cause a lot of passionate discussion! It's a good enough threat that people can't just ignore it. What does get to me though is that all iPhone users are being singly categorized by some as deluded shallow or fanboys when in fact they cover a very wide area of market users. Not many IT professionals granted - but then they aren't typical WM users either! I guess for some the jury is out - but I honestly can see iPhone taking the Market in much the same way as the IPod - it much not be right here right now - but people really shouldn't be surprised if Apple continues to build on it market share or the quality of the iPhone. When I was a Psion user I remember the discussions on the pro Psion sites when MS first started launching mobile devices - and where are Psion now in this Market?

The reason I moved over wasn't that the iPhone was so good - it was because for the average user (and me) MS was failing to keep up - they still are. They are therefore seriously at risk of loosing out to iPhone. Remember that for success it's not necessarily about the best winning - that is a lesson that I K Brunel learnt when Stephenson's inferior ride standard guage beat his superior broad guage. it's about maintaining Market saturation. MS really should know this they are still third behind Blackberry and Symbian and if WM7 isn't both really good and out there real soon they are only going to slip further down the list! With the current recession this will be even more important.

I don't expect guys here to agree with me. But .... Watch this space!
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neilm · #**109** (**permalink**) 08-05-2009, 08:31 AM

I think a lot of us do agree with your view Griph- it's like the old 80:20 rule; 80% of users use 20% of the features, and with the iphone, that 20% is enough for them. Apple's slick (and misleading sometimes!) advertising seduces a lot of phone users.

The fact is, that the stuff the iPhone does, for the everyday user, it does very well. So if you want something to surf the web, play music and look and photos, then the ease of use will suit very nicely.

We have the advantage of being a well informed and somewhat critical community here, and for a lot of us, the WM platform will suit better until Apple recify some of the iPhone's ommissions, bring out a physically smaller device and improve the screen resolution.

I'd like to return to this thread in 2 years time- my feeling is that Apple will have acheived a lot more than MS in filling the gaps, though it pains me to say it.

waveydavey · #**110** (**permalink**) 08-05-2009, 08:40 AM

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But for every story like yours Tony there will be a hundred people who love their iPhone and don't want anything more. Don't forget also that a couple of years ago Apple weren't even in this market so I'm sure they are prepared for the fact that they will lose some customers in this way.

I think the point Tony was making was that too many people are unaware of WM and that if they were to take a test dive they may prefer its extra functionality.

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What does get to me though is that all iPhone users are being singly categorized by some as deluded shallow or fanboys when in fact they cover a very wide area of market users. Not many IT professionals granted - but then they aren't typical WM users either!

I appreciate that not all iPhone users even give a stuff about what we're talking about here, but it's not the silent masses I am talking about. It's the early adopters and journalist types with a little bit of technical knowledge (the dangerous type) and loud voices.

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Originally Posted by Griph

MS really should know this they are still third behind Blackberry and Symbian and if WM7 isn't both really good and out there real soon they are only going to slip further down the list!

I think this is only true in the US (and I appreciate the US is a massive market). Outside the US WM is doing very well.

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I'd like to return to this thread in 2 years time- my feeling is that Apple will have acheived a lot more than MS in filling the gaps, though it pains me to say it.

I think it'll be down to hardware by then. I have a feeling MS will address the software issues (I know you others don't agree) by then. You're right it will be interesting though.