Why I despise the iPhone.

what better security? I have yet to see a convincing argument that tells me the 3GS is not secure enough for a normal business user.

The hardware keyboard is what I was referring to in the different for factor point, as I keep saying this is now the only differentiator for the MAJORITY of business users. Despite having spent many years insisting on a hardware keyboard on my mobile devices I have found the iPod's software keyboard to be very usable

[devil_82]

Originally Posted by irblinx

Ah well, when Microsoft continue to think along the same lines you'll all be able to be surprised together that iPhone has stolen the business phone market from under them.

If you do a nice bullet point comparison of features yes WM will come out in front but then check how many of those features 99% of business users actually want, they'll all be on the iPhone list since OS3.0. Then compare the user experience and the Apple device blows the opposition out of the water. So all you're left with is that you can get different form factor phones.

stick to the thread starter thinking/title and u will have a conclusive answer. otherwise you are just thinking alike with M$ but using iphone

[fowljr]

Originally Posted by irblinx

what better security? I have yet to see a convincing argument that tells me the 3GS is not secure enough for a normal business user.

The hardware keyboard is what I was referring to in the different for factor point, as I keep saying this is now the only differentiator for the MAJORITY of business users. Despite having spent many years insisting on a hardware keyboard on my mobile devices I have found the iPod's software keyboard to be very usable

I was tongue in cheek mate, I could see the points... Although I've not seen any update as to whether security is improved in OS3.0, I'd have to read up on it before making a judgement in reality.

My vantage point on the software keyboards remains the same in that they aren't acceptable, not on the iPhone, nor Windows Mobile devices. My opinion won't change on that, but it is only my opinion & preference...

I still don't see the iPhone as a true enterprise device, on my 1st gen, reading some emails is impossible if they are HTML, I have to zoom in on part of them, now I don't know whether that's because I have something set wrong, it could be...

iPhone with a hardware keyboard, I'd look at it seriously...

Originally Posted by devil_82

stick to the thread starter thinking/title and u will have a conclusive answer. otherwise you are just thinking alike with M$ but using iphone

Have you actually read any of the debate on the previous 17 pages of this thread?

I have used WM devices since the original O2 UK Xda device (and even used one of the earlier pre WM HP PDA's) and fully understand all of WaveyDavey's points however like most users on this site I would class Dave as a power user and therefore NOT typical of the majority of business mobile users.

I support well over 100 WM devices in the UK and Malaysia and I would say that out of them there are only 2 users at the same level as Dave, a further 10 that would want tethering (now available with iPhone) but every else I would class as basic users, they want Exchange Sync and occasional internet access.

I would also point out that much of the functionality that users like Dave cherish about WM is actually provided via third party software, which you simply cannot compare with a Vanilla iPhone.

Originally Posted by fowljr

I was tongue in cheek mate, I could see the points... Although I've not seen any update as to whether security is improved in OS3.0, I'd have to read up on it before making a judgement in reality.

My vantage point on the software keyboards remains the same in that they aren't acceptable, not on the iPhone, nor Windows Mobile devices. My opinion won't change on that, but it is only my opinion & preference...

I still don't see the iPhone as a true enterprise device, on my 1st gen, reading some emails is impossible if they are HTML, I have to zoom in on part of them, now I don't know whether that's because I have something set wrong, it could be...

iPhone with a hardware keyboard, I'd look at it seriously...

The number one addition to the security suite IIRC is encryption, at that point I cease to have an issue with the device for enterprise.

I have to say that I've had no problems whatsoever with reading emails on the iPod (although have found the odd one over the years that completely screws up on WM to be honest). In fact the iPod has always made a much better job of rendering emails than the S730

I fully understand the keyboard thing, I was seriously surprised that I got on with it as every device I've had since Xda II has had a hardware QWERTY keyboard and I've also moved steadily away from touch screens to wanting as many physical buttons as possible. My imminent move to iPhone is driven 100% by user experience.

From a development point of view I'm still on the way up the learning curve of the (free!) toolset, both Xcode and Cocoa being completely new to me however a lot of the inherent issues in developing for WM are not there. No problems supporting multiple resolutions/form factors for a start, a god send, the device also ships with an excellent web browser which is always helpful.

Realistically I could just as easily start a thread on why I despise WM, it would be an overreaction just as I believe Dave's was by aiming at the cult of "i" rather than specifically just at the device. I'm sick of not having an OS upgrade path for our WM devices, I'm sick of the fact that even the OEM apps are so poor in their use of memory that the devices are inherently unstable and prone to not even starting and I'm sick of the god awful clunkiness of the OS resulting from trying to shoehorn a desktop OS into a mobile device.

[fowljr]

Isn't that true of all devices, the need to upgrade... I see some value in it as it generates extra features and enhancements...

Both the iPhone & WM have needed updates, the iPhone to add functionality that was not there in the first place, cut & paste to name one (no, I'm not saying WM was perfect in it's early days either)... Both platforms are evolving, and I'm sure that there will be many more updates along the way...

It cannot be argued with that the iPhone has captured the majority of the market with its usability & interface, but I still feel it will have an upgrade path. The simplicity of the single device is key here, Apple have contained it with only having the one hardware platform, well, 3 in the same ilk if you count the 1st, 2nd & 3rd gen iPhones as seperate entities...

I do have issues with certain emails and viewing them on the iPhone, I've not had any issues thus far on WM6, and I do use both the iPhone & WM devices.

For me, I like the tech, I would like to play with Android & WebOS, but the reality as you describe is that I keep coming back to WM... So it has something for me the others don't...

WM7 really has to deliver on the interface front, if MS can achieve that then I think it will be a job well done...

[windows]

I must agree with Jim there, I receive email updates from a number of social networking sites and around 60% of the emails do not display on the iPhone but do under WM. Plus those that I can read on the iPhone I do need top pan across to read which is one major annoyance of the enterprise users at work.

[fowljr]

Yes, that's the same thing I see on the iPhone.

Well as I said I've not seen any such problems and I do get that sort of email, I've just checked and emails from Gameshadow, Playstation, Rockband, Napster & Reverbnation all in full HTML, graphics etc all appear perfectly and resized to fit in one screen wide. You can of course zoom in very easily! Oh and in WM I just get the click here if this email doesn't display and then the opportunity to view it poorly formatted in PIE.

The point I was making on the upgrade path is that OS3.0 was made available to iPhone, iPhone 3G, iPod gen1 and iPod gen2. If that was a WM release you'd have to hope that:
1) Microsoft haven't changed the hardware requirements to exclude your device
2) That either the OEM or operator, depending where you bought the device , choose to provide the upgrade

[fowljr]

Totally agree on those upgrade path comments mate.

[johnston411]

The only emails I get that display incorrectly on the iphone are from zdnet
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