Why I despise the iPhone.

[Griph]

Excellent!

[Griph]

Originally Posted by waveydavey

I think the point is the end user doesn't get to fiddle with the settings. The security is set at the Group Policy level and there is no way for the users to get around it. That said I take your point about having it not setup or skirting round it whenever it's inconvenient. I know all about that. That really gets on my ****!

Great if there is an IT Professional that does or even knows how to do that - how many dont? How many companies have a mobile work force with all these features un-used. You can have the most expensive safe in the world - but is someone leaves the safe door open ... ! For the vast majority of Mobile Users (and believe me Dave you are not in this bracket) secutity is not even in their mind - the phone isn't theirs - it gets lost - who cares? Not ideal by any frame of reference!! (FX: Understatement ALert Understatement Alert) BUT it happens a lot! There are millions of mobiles lost every year throughout the world! Security should be a big issue, but for many it is not.

Originally Posted by waveydavey

The thing about the Apple one is that I did notice and it's in my face.

Thats the problem - its like you only notice how many models of a particular car that are on the roads once you have one. Of course you spotted it - it was a red rag to a bull!

Originally Posted by waveydavey

I think overall maybe the iPhone is TOO easy to use. Maybe that's why I despise it?

Soo ... let me get this right - Complicated = Good. Easy = Bad? Dont get me wrong but I dont buy that! It is what is going to give Apple the edge over WM - see if I'm right - no ones' taken me up on that bet yet!

[Griph]

Originally Posted by irblinx

Aha, spoken like a true geek, not everyone is like us though which is the whole point of iPhone

Got it in one! Even some of us aren't like some of us!

WaveyDavey: A simple interface and a powerful device are not mutually exclusive concepts!

Apple are just starting out on what may be a new branch of an evolutonary ladder - and whilst some may think it is still a (rather attractive) Neanderthal, evolution may yet see significant improvement, whereas Microsoft are rapidly buildung themsleves into an evolutionary cul-de-sac!

Apple are solely in charge of all elements of development of their software and hardware, Microsoft dont even produce a device and are hampered by the whole process being dependent upon many others - a compromise that affects speed of development, and cost of achieving it.

Do you think TouchFlo3D, Sony Ericsson's Panels, and the increasing number or mobile and WM devices emulating iPhone functions are there because WM is so good and iPhone is so bad for the average consumer? I don't think so!

WM7 may be a 'watch this space' issue - but if it takes too long people are going to get bored watching a blank screen and be drawn to the competition. Whether you see that as being drawn to the Dark Side or not wont matter in the long run. That is how consumerism works!

[waveydavey]

Originally Posted by Griph

Great if there is an IT Professional that does or even knows how to do that - how many dont? How many companies have a mobile work force with all these features un-used. You can have the most expensive safe in the world - but is someone leaves the safe door open...!

A company is responsible for it's intellectual property, period. If they do not take sufficient measures to protect it then they are legally liable for the loss or misuse of it. Ignorance is not a defense. If a bank left its doors open and it gets robbed then the bank would be liable. Most companies true worth is in their intellectual property. They are irresponsible to ignore this and if they don't protect it then they deserve anything and everything they get.

Originally Posted by Griph

For the vast majority of Mobile Users (and believe me Dave you are not in this bracket) secutity is not even in their mind - the phone isn't theirs - it gets lost - who cares? Not ideal by any frame of reference!! (FX: Understatement ALert Understatement Alert) BUT it happens a lot! There are millions of mobiles lost every year throughout the world! Security should be a big issue, but for many it is not.

Well again that's all about risk. I can tell you for a fact that 95% of people that use email from their mobile have enough data on it for someone to steal their identity. Again, ignorance is not a defense. You leave your doors open, you get burgled, you leave a shoddily secured mobile on a train and you get a Nigerian taking out a second mortgage on your house, or worse. People start to care about security then........

Originally Posted by Griph

Soo ... let me get this right - Complicated = Good. Easy = Bad? Dont get me wrong but I dont buy that! It is what is going to give Apple the edge over WM - see if I'm right - no ones' taken me up on that bet yet!

I think you're getting a little carried away here, but just to play devils advocate would you buy a phone with just a big green button and a big red button on it? It would be really easy to use? So why not? The bottom line is the iPhone CAN NOT do everything I need it to do, on a daily basis, and I'm tired of people telling me it's BETTER than my WM device when quite clearly it cannot be. You might love it to bits and it may do everything YOU want it to but to me it just isn't good enough and there's no way around that.

[johnston411]

I've decided to remain relatively quiet on this thread for a number of reasons but the main one is that i think the answer to it is given in it's title "why i despise the iphone".

Dave despises the iphone as from his perspective it is firstly a security risk and this affects his work and secondly it's made by apple and and he's got some old school hang ups

This is his opinion and one he is entitled to have and give.

In this day and age if you are naive enough to be pulled in by advertising and marketing campaigns without researching something first that is your own fault (not for one second suggesting you are mate). It's not right or fair but it's how it is and we all know it i mean will eating yoghurt make me live longer? no, going outside and doing some excersise in the fresh air will, Will wearing lynx get me some? No and it didn't 15 years ago either So for me yes the adverts are annoying but the missing steps make the advert finish quicker.

Now the beauty of it is as a statement is it answers itself as it is not asking you to despise the iphone just merely pointing out why it's not for him.

I've said it before and i'll say it again i like both.

WM has it's obvious benefits as an enterprise device but has obvious failings for your average man on the street. I didn't know what a cab file was 4 years ago had a search and found xda-devs and then 4wm but how many people wouldn't think to do that and therefore not be able to install a new shell or ui to spruce up the today screen? yes it would be their own fault but it would put them off the platform before they'd even scratched the surface.

On the iphone i don't need to know what an .ipa is (and no it's not a beverage) as it's all done for me via the app store or cydia and icy once jailbroken.

Now the reason i do know what a .ipa file is is because i am a bit of a nerd and wanted to know what was going on behind the scenes.

As a result i can install my own unapproved software such as sbsettings (comm manager at the swipe of the screen) and intelliscreen (notification screen when device locked), transfer files to and from the device without using itunes therefore being able to transfer music, photos and videos to other computers as well as the one i sync with via wifi using ssh (can be done via the cable a number of ways but no need for me). I can do most things on my iphone i could on a wm device now that i've explored it's potential and had a good play with OS 3.0.

I guess my point is there is a lot more to the iphone than meets the eye and i would expect Davey would have a slightly better opinion of it if he used mine as opposed to one straight from the tree.

It needs an office suite so i can edit things and i'm guessing as microsoft have office 08 for the mac it won't be long till it's available on the iphone in some guise.

So with each platform there are caveats which you need to decide whether or not you can live with. It's the same with everything really. You weigh up what you want from your purchase and choose the product that fits the criteria best.

I want a media device with a finger friendly interface that also has the ability to keep me connected on the move and the iphone fits the bill perfectly. As for more complex tasks i have my netbook and the combination works for me.

If i was an IT professional i would simply use wm for work and the iphone for play. Just because it has EAS functionality doesn't mean you have to use it if it compromises security (not something i know anything about i might add except reading Daveys list).

Bottom line is that there are different devices for different tasks and different people want different things. Diversity is a good thing.

"You can make some of the people happy all the time, all of the people happy some of the time but you can't make all of the people happy all the time"

I think herein lies the problem

I think in life there will always be a number of people or things you will encounter which get your goat and there will always be people who try and push their opinions on others whether they are right or wrong. We're lucky enough to know that when we wake up in the morning we won't be them

Oh and the meerkats, genius.

[waveydavey]

I'll agree with everything you say except the old school hangups. I've had the same conversation with Griph as some of my Apple Mac fanboy mates who think the Mac and OSX is "better" than a PC or Windows. Same old lines about "ease of use" at the expense of functionality etc. It's tiring, and from my perspective incorrect but hey-ho. I really don't have a problem with Apple as company (although we've already talked about their advertising... ) or their products. It's Apple users and their superiority complexes that rattles my cage. I mean, you don't get the same from Linux or Nokia users and to a certain extent they at least have claim to stake.

[johnston411]

Thought you'd like that bit but was just pulling your leg.

I probably should have just written "horses for courses"

on the fan boy front be it either side of the fence I think it's small minded to completely dismiss a brand because it doesn't meet your needs.
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[waveydavey]

I think of the iPhone in the same light as a blackberry. If you think about it generally the situation is very similar but the markets are aimed in different directions. The iPhone is a user device high on usability and personal use but low on business functionality. The Blackberry is the exact opposite. Again high on usability but this time business use, and low on personal functionality. Both platforms are pretty locked down. In both cases the hardware is supplied by the OS producer. Traditionally I couldn't stand the 70's calculator look of the BB's but the Storm is pretty good. The iPhone is not bad, I just dislike the keyboard and it's a touch too big. There's a lot of similarities to them both from my perspective.

[johnston411]

I think that's a fair comparison and although I haven't had a bb or calculatory style wm device I don't think I'd like them after a couple of tries in shops etc.

When I first used the keyboard on the iPhone I hated it and I think this is partially from being used to using the diamond t9 sips where the precision of the thumb wasn't overly important but now that I'm used to the iPhones keyboard I much prefer it as for common words that you misspel by typing fast it sorts them for you and once you twig this you can be very fast. Additionally now there is landscape support for more native apps like messaging the keyboard is even easier to use for me.

What I do find funny about the keyboard is that there is widespread posting of people having similar experiences of the keyboard as me which indicates initially the iPhone is not as finger friendly as we are led to believe and is one if the things which put off the technology blogger in the independant (I think it was the independant) so this may just be as offputting for some as the lack of easy to use ui on wm
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[fowljr]

Get a calculator style WM device, you'll love it.. I love all the tech me... But I'm a tech-head... The iPhone *is* simplistic, but I think that's its niche...

Even jailbroken it's still limited compared to WM, but I think it's important to look at the target market segment, totally different in my opinion...

I don't go in for the fan-boyism lark, I like Mac, I like Windows, I like WM and I like the iPhone (apart from the crappy on-screen keyboard, which I will never get on with!).

I run Windows on my Mac... And if I could find the time, I'd probably run Mac on my Netbook...

Marketing is all hype isn't it, it's just that MS don't do it as well as Apple, those I'm a PC adverts are abysmal in reality, truly shocking compared to Apple's marketing.